It is Ukraine. not UCraine
Please, check it before publishing for so many people
@WobblyDemon said in #9:
> And here I talked only russians in russia. What about russian emigrants abroad, millions of them. A lot of them enjoy freedom of speech in Western countries (which russia has deemed unfriendly). These emigrants could well voice their opinion, freely and without fear of consequences. But as I said, there is nothing but silence. Soon to be 4 years of the full-blown war, have you heard about any meaningful organization or collective "Russians against war" or "Russians for Ukraine"? No, me neither. I think there is no such thing. And at least to me, that is very revealing.
Obvious flaw: not only you need to leave the country, but also you need to 100% know that you will never be in need to return. Navalny clearly showed what to expect on return. People singing a song are equal to serial killers there, 7 years sentence was already announced for this case https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1o939ux/russian_street_musician_is_jailed_for_13_days/. there And any Russian who left may be in need or occasionally return to change passport or to visit relatives. So you are talking about disappearingly small percent of people who got other countries citizenships - who are indeed 100% free to say their opinions.
BUT that's really not a subject which should be focused in these threads.
100% focus should be on
1) fiercely protecting innocent people
2) fiercely protecting international peace
2) Means no country should be allowed to create new conflict where previously peaceful border existed for decades. It's supposed to be an absolute evil after WW2. Israel - Palestine border was not peaceful for decades, so it's by the order of magnitude less transparent problem than Russia-Ukraine border - which was completely peaceful zone 1945-2014 (compared to now even 1945-2022) and it's completely obvious which side crossed it.
What country does in it's own borders should not be tolerated as an excuse for war. You want to protect minority in Ukraine or in any other country - build a new city on your own territory and give these minorities citizenships offer.
If it's not a lie and they actually need any protection - they will gladly change country. Simply mathematically this approach wins and won't create WW3, while "we can protect anyone with new large scale conflict" just asks for WW3.
And part of 1) is ensuring that any military object or person who crosses Russia-Ukraine border currently is simply instantly vaporized - without any additional casualties (ideally, even on both sides).
That is supposed to be modern international standard - border of each country is simply not crossed by any unwelcomed military force.
Achieving 1) and 2) requires very direct and fast actions from developed countries, especially from EU, which is not being done. Focus on that.
Championship was not complete. Russia did not participate. I expected Hungary to perform better anyway.
А вот и типичный финн в топике (причём он, возможно, реально ещё и в юбке сидит) нарисовался. С минуты на минуту российским лыжникам можно будет участвовать в соревнованиях, а вы не будете их пускать. Классика. И вы тогда за немцев-фашистов были, и сейчас также
@Nikita-Molod said in #24:
> А вот и типичный финн в топике (причём он, возможно, реально ещё и в юбке сидит) нарисовался. С минуты на минуту российским лыжникам можно будет участвовать в соревнованиях, а вы не будете их пускать. Классика. И вы тогда за немцев-фашистов были, и сейчас также
Laughing out loud at these russian small-minded people. Are you very concerned about what I am wearing now? Mind you, personally I do not represent any of the minorities you perhaps are referring to. But I will defend their rights to exist and be as they are. Why? Because I do not feel threatened by any of them in the same way as you do in your tiny intolerant insecure minds. You are a living evidence of the fact that russians are something special, and I mean not in a good sense. And hopefully many more people come aware of this fact. And as such, we will have no friendship, no understanding, nothing between our peoples, until you decide to come out of your caves, change your mentality of aggression, superiority and intolerance, think with your own brain and not repeat propaganda you are fed. Until that you should be completely isolated from the international community.
And in 1939 you were the sole aggressor just as always, just like today. In your actions today we can witness that it's you who are equivalent to modern-day nazis.
@hal9k said in #22:
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@hal9k said in #22:
> Obvious flaw: not only you need to leave the country, but also you need to 100% know that you will never be in need to return. Navalny clearly showed what to expect on return. People singing a song are equal to serial killers there, 7 years sentence was already announced for this case www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1o939ux/russian_street_musician_is_jailed_for_13_days/. there And any Russian who left may be in need or occasionally return to change passport or to visit relatives. So you are talking about disappearingly small percent of people who got other countries citizenships - who are indeed 100% free to say their opinions.
>
> BUT that's really not a subject which should be focused in these threads.
> 100% focus should be on
> 1) fiercely protecting innocent people
> 2) fiercely protecting international peace
>
> 2) Means no country should be allowed to create new conflict where previously peaceful border existed for decades. It's supposed to be an absolute evil after WW2. Israel - Palestine border was not peaceful for decades, so it's by the order of magnitude less transparent problem than Russia-Ukraine border - which was completely peaceful zone 1945-2014 (compared to now even 1945-2022) and it's completely obvious which side crossed it.
>
> What country does in it's own borders should not be tolerated as an excuse for war. You want to protect minority in Ukraine or in any other country - build a new city on your own territory and give these minorities citizenships offer.
> If it's not a lie and they actually need any protection - they will gladly change country. Simply mathematically this approach wins and won't create WW3, while "we can protect anyone with new large scale conflict" just asks for WW3.
>
> And part of 1) is ensuring that any military object or person who crosses Russia-Ukraine border currently is simply instantly vaporized - without any additional casualties (ideally, even on both sides).
> That is supposed to be modern international standard - border of each country is simply not crossed by any unwelcomed military force.
>
> Achieving 1) and 2) requires very direct and fast actions from developed countries, especially from EU, which is not being done. Focus on that.
Thank you for your sane Russian opinion. I completely agree with you on your 1) and 2). It's an absolute disgrace that EU and more widely the international community has not had spine to stand up for international justice and sovereignty of nation-states as stated in UN Charter. By their inaction they – we – have allowed the aggressor to continue this war for this long. Agreed.
But what I was talking (and what for example the Russian author Mikhail Shishkin talks about as well) is the mentality among russians that made this war possible and makes it still possible to continue. It is an imperialistic mentality of superiority. It is a result of the fact that russians have never forced to look at their past aggression and their consequences as they happened in reality. To this day, they have no true and honest self-reflection. All is based on lies instead. Seems that russian imperialism lives and prospers in russian minds. However it needs to be cut out in order to have peace and stability in Europe. Nazis were cured of the illness by force. And this is the same illness that needs to be cured before any movement towards a modern democratic nation can happen in russia. And it absolutely requires that they will not be rewarded for starting their war of genocide and conquest.
@AbhiramSingamsetti said in #14:
> I really wish we can try to not get politics into chess. No offence to anyone, if someone feels hurt.
"Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented."
@seriouss7222 said in #29:
> With respect, these threads should be focused on chess.
You should know that this discussion started from a (now removed) comment by a russian Nikita-Molod where he used a derogatory well-known russian word for Ukraine in response to Ukrainian success in the championships. This is of course very typical russian behaviour. On the one hand it's unfortunate but on the other hand, it's not a bad thing that people learn who russians really are. We have to start to recognize and acknowledge their brutishness, their lack of respect, their undignified imperialistic mindset with their superiority complex.