@Yahor_S said in #10:
> Guys, it's Ukraine with "K"
And Ruslan was also written as Rulsan))
*(Ucraine)*?
@WobblyDemon said in #9:
> I'm listening and I'm glad to have a good and sincere conversation about the topic. Thank you for that, really. But to be honest I have heard these same arguments already hundreds of times during the past few years in different contexts, even from people of high status, such as the German chancellor Scholz who in Spring 2022 called it "putin's war". But now after 3.5 years of the full-scale war (to remind: the war which in reality started already in 2014 with the illegal annexation of Crimea and the ensuing war in the Eastern Ukraine where russia undeniably was the sole aggressor already) we really have to move on and see the truth and the reality. The reality is that there exists almost no russian voice that speaks about just and immediate peace, at least not one who has any meaningful support from the russians themselves. We have to acknowledge this.
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> I respect every russian person who has let their anti-war voice and/or support to Ukraine be heard. Of course, there are such in russia but not enough. And of course, these views are dangerous russia today, because of the oppression set up by the criminal gang in kremlin. But I will argue that even without this oppression, pro-Ukraine voices would be rare in russia. And that's because of russians' built-in imperialistic mindset, an idea that they are superior to the people around them.
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> What is the cure of russia, is a complete annihilation of this imperialistic mindset. And this is the only cure. Nothing else will suffice. To make this happen, they absolutely have to lose their brutal and illegal war of conquest. And I'd like to challenge you to listen to the people who know about this topic, the Baltics, who had to endure the horrible soviet occupation for decades, where for example, according to russians, their own native languages were languages of animals, and russia was the only human language. Listen to what they have to say about russians. They know. We Finns know also, maybe we had forgotten a little bit but we truly learned to remember, at the latest in 2022 we learned this. Ukrainians know of course. Poles know. The people around russians know who russians are. Listen to them, please. Do not assume.
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> And here I talked only russians in russia. What about russian emigrants abroad, millions of them. A lot of them enjoy freedom of speech in Western countries (which russia has deemed unfriendly). These emigrants could well voice their opinion, freely and without fear of consequences. But as I said, there is nothing but silence. Soon to be 4 years of the full-blown war, have you heard about any meaningful organization or collective "Russians against war" or "Russians for Ukraine"? No, me neither. I think there is no such thing. And at least to me, that is very revealing.
As a ukrainian, I appreciate your deep understanding of what is happening in our country. What can i say is we need more people like this. I truly thank you
I really wish we can try to not get politics into chess. No offence to anyone, if someone feels hurt.
I love Ukraine.
Also one last post before I leave this: @WobblyDemon you think that 143.5 million all think that Ukraine should be part of Russia. That’s like saying all Americans think immigrants are bad
@WobblyDemon
Ukraine did genocide on kids in Donbas way before any war started. Russians were being oppressed in ukraine while ukrainians werent oprressed in russia. NATO membership of Ukraine was very scary for Russia as NATO promised to not expand further East. Thats the equivalent of Russia putting tanks and missile launchers at your border and expect you to take it as "defence". Saying Russia 100% started this war is crazy, there were many provocations. Also read in one of your posts how all Russians in Russia are imperialistic and that not enough of them protest and speak out. People have families and responsobilities. If you are so against Russia go there and protest there see if spending a few years rotting in a prison cell over nothing will be worth it. Your ideas are facist and blaming all Russians for things out of their control is out of hand. Instead of admitting both sides have problems and trying to solve this conflict for the good of the average civilian both Russian and Ukranian you want this conflict to go on. Is another half a million lives worth Ukraine having a bit more land?. If so you go fight keyboard warrior. Dont let normal hardworking family men get force dragged into the military, leave their wives widowed and children fatherless. I want people to live what a crazy f*cking opinion right blackrock boy.Ukranian people dont like Zelensky but they arent even aloud to have a democratic election to stop the war. Same with Russia but I dont see everything as black and white. If the war ends right now ukraine gets NATO membership,EU membership and other benefits but Ukranian politicians want more money. You really are a Demon.
@Marta_Cat said in #13:
> As a ukrainian, I appreciate your deep understanding of what is happening in our country. What can i say is we need more people like this. I truly thank you
For historical reasons in Finland many people know what is going on, especially the older generations who have experience. However, by now, I'd expect that more people would recognize muscovite mentality, their tricks and mindgames. Unfortunately there still seems to be wide lack of understanding outside the immediate vicinity of russia. I have tried to find explanation. I do not have a truly satisfying answer and I can only speculate.
The fact is that nowadays widely in Europe people have lived only through times of peace and they have started to take liberties and freedom for granted. They have really not experienced blatant pathological lying, tyranny and absolute evil. And when they encounter such things, they struggle to adjust their mindsets accordingly. For example, that's why they were so surprised when the little green men appeared in the Eastern part of Ukraine and it was denied that they were russian. They were really perplexed: "Then who could these men be?" This is the type of naivety some people still have. Maybe we could also say that these people have become too soft, lazy and naive. Too lazy to think, too lazy to distinguish between good and evil, between right and wrong.
According to this naive mentality, in all circumstances each and every party must have some goodness or at least some decency. And when they encounter russians and their crimes, they naturally look for these redeeming qualities. Why? Because it is against their worldview that there could be anything purely evil and inhumane. So in the actions of russia and russians, they try really hard to find anything resembling decent, any justification of their actions in spite of how far-fetched it will be. And of course, russian propaganda will give it to them and they will believe it because they want to. But we who have understood the true muscovite spirit, we know that absolute evil exists. An evil that has absolutely no redeeming qualities. We also know that this evil will not be tamed by anything other than force. That's the only language they understand. In contrast, appeasement will only make them stronger. We know that the muscovite will use any means of communication, not to create understanding between people, but to manipulate, to create discord, to denigrate, to destroy. We know that they will try to spin black into white, right into wrong, an aggressor into victim, and so on. Whenever they open their mouths, we know that lies will be spread. This is what needs to be learned about muscovites, widely, globally.
As an example of victim-playing, take for example, the notion of russophobia. What is it, actually? In reality, russophobia is a natural reaction to terror, murder and oppression practiced by russians. And as I said, russian people love to play victim and accordingly, of course, the russian leaders will feed this mentality. They like to turn the aggressor into victim and vice versa. Without hesitation russians will attack their victims, they will torture and they will kill with intention. And when this natural reaction of russophobia will be there as a result of their hideous actions, they put on their surprised Pikachu face and start to play victim. And I for one, am completely fed up with that hypocrisy, and I will not hide it. I will go to my grave defending these views because I absolutely know I'm right. Anyone feeling hesitant about their attitude to russians when they start playing this victim game, please think about this, and you will see very clearly that russophobia is an effect, not a cause.
I'm aware that any Ukrainian already knows what I wrote above. It was written with other people in mind and, hopefully, there will be at least one person whose eyes are opened.
Вам і всім українцям я хочу дещо сказати. Наскільки я розумію, протягом усіх часів ви українці були змушені доводити, що ви існуєте незалежно. Знову і знову. Тепер цей час знову настав. І за це довелося заплатити жахливу ціну. Ціну, яку жодна нація не повинна бути змушена платити. Але іншого вибору не було.
У вільному світі була і досі є неадекватна реакція на російську агресію. Це абсолютно ганебно. Це мене особливо засмучує.
Однак, я думаю, що це останній раз, коли вам доведеться доводити своє незалежне існування. Ми знаємо, що росіяни намагаються знищити українську культуру, мову та традиції. Але я б сказав, що росіяни зазнали невдачі. Українська культура ніколи раніше не привертала стільки уваги в усьому світі. Наприклад, з солідарності та з чистого інтересу до мови я вивчаю українську. Також у Фінляндії з'явився новий інтерес до української літератури та культури. Будь ласка, знайте, що вас підтримує фінський народ.
Зло має свій час, але я вірю, що добро переможе. Сподіваюся, час зла скоро мине. Від щирого серця бажаю вам усім сили та витривалість.
@WobblyDemon said in #19:
> For historical reasons in Finland many people know what is going on, especially the older generations who have experience. However, by now, I'd expect that more people would recognize muscovite mentality, their tricks and mindgames. Unfortunately there still seems to be wide lack of understanding outside the immediate vicinity of russia. I have tried to find explanation. I do not have a truly satisfying answer and I can only speculate.
>
> The fact is that nowadays widely in Europe people have lived only through times of peace and they have started to take liberties and freedom for granted. They have really not experienced blatant pathological lying, tyranny and absolute evil. And when they encounter such things, they struggle to adjust their mindsets accordingly. For example, that's why they were so surprised when the little green men appeared in the Eastern part of Ukraine and it was denied that they were russian. They were really perplexed: "Then who could these men be?" This is the type of naivety some people still have. Maybe we could also say that these people have become too soft, lazy and naive. Too lazy to think, too lazy to distinguish between good and evil, between right and wrong.
>
> According to this naive mentality, in all circumstances each and every party must have some goodness or at least some decency. And when they encounter russians and their crimes, they naturally look for these redeeming qualities. Why? Because it is against their worldview that there could be anything purely evil and inhumane. So in the actions of russia and russians, they try really hard to find anything resembling decent, any justification of their actions in spite of how far-fetched it will be. And of course, russian propaganda will give it to them and they will believe it because they want to. But we who have understood the true muscovite spirit, we know that absolute evil exists. An evil that has absolutely no redeeming qualities. We also know that this evil will not be tamed by anything other than force. That's the only language they understand. In contrast, appeasement will only make them stronger. We know that the muscovite will use any means of communication, not to create understanding between people, but to manipulate, to create discord, to denigrate, to destroy. We know that they will try to spin black into white, right into wrong, an aggressor into victim, and so on. Whenever they open their mouths, we know that lies will be spread. This is what needs to be learned about muscovites, widely, globally.
>
> As an example of victim-playing, take for example, the notion of russophobia. What is it, actually? In reality, russophobia is a natural reaction to terror, murder and oppression practiced by russians. And as I said, russian people love to play victim and accordingly, of course, the russian leaders will feed this mentality. They like to turn the aggressor into victim and vice versa. Without hesitation russians will attack their victims, they will torture and they will kill with intention. And when this natural reaction of russophobia will be there as a result of their hideous actions, they put on their surprised Pikachu face and start to play victim. And I for one, am completely fed up with that hypocrisy, and I will not hide it. I will go to my grave defending these views because I absolutely know I'm right. Anyone feeling hesitant about their attitude to russians when they start playing this victim game, please think about this, and you will see very clearly that russophobia is an effect, not a cause.
>
> I'm aware that any Ukrainian already knows what I wrote above. It was written with other people in mind and, hopefully, there will be at least one person whose eyes are opened.
>
> Вам і всім українцям я хочу дещо сказати. Наскільки я розумію, протягом усіх часів ви українці були змушені доводити, що ви існуєте незалежно. Знову і знову. Тепер цей час знову настав. І за це довелося заплатити жахливу ціну. Ціну, яку жодна нація не повинна бути змушена платити. Але іншого вибору не було.
>
> У вільному світі була і досі є неадекватна реакція на російську агресію. Це абсолютно ганебно. Це мене особливо засмучує.
>
> Однак, я думаю, що це останній раз, коли вам доведеться доводити своє незалежне існування. Ми знаємо, що росіяни намагаються знищити українську культуру, мову та традиції. Але я б сказав, що росіяни зазнали невдачі. Українська культура ніколи раніше не привертала стільки уваги в усьому світі. Наприклад, з солідарності та з чистого інтересу до мови я вивчаю українську. Також у Фінляндії з'явився новий інтерес до української літератури та культури. Будь ласка, знайте, що вас підтримує фінський народ.
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> Зло має свій час, але я вірю, що добро переможе. Сподіваюся, час зла скоро мине. Від щирого серця бажаю вам усім сили та витривалість.
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