Allah vs Odin vs Shiva vs Zeus

@Godkrishna07 said in #40:
> Idiot no offence the only religion which SHOULD win is peace and thats what all this gods want
Man you literally called a guy an idiot and then said no offence

@DeadlyKillerInstinct said in #41:
> Man you literally called a guy an idiot and then said no offence
Let me correct it out.

@CSKA_Moscou "indeed, it really disgusts me to read all these things in the Greek mythology,"
Why should it disgust you, if it assists in understanding? From my POV, it is of utmost importance to understand what people are seeing, how they are perceiving the great truths, before proceeding to deal with other matters. (Especially when dealing with powerful current near-civilizations and what they are doing or refraining from)

But yes, it is also true that both Athens and Sparta then, and countless other city states since, have suffered because they chose to be led by strong men rather than wise. When has it been otherwise? If ancient history so disturbs your stomach, then you must choose a rather restrictive diet, my friend. And I, valuing your judgement, lament your ill health.

@verylate said in #43:
> @CSKA_Moscou "indeed, it really disgusts me to read all these things in the Greek mythology,"
> Why should it disgust you, if it assists in understanding? From my POV, it is of utmost importance to understand what people are seeing, how they are perceiving the great truths, before proceeding to deal with other matters. (Especially when dealing with powerful current near-civilizations and what they are doing or refraining from)
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> But yes, it is also true that both Athens and Sparta then, and countless other city states since, have suffered because they chose to be led by strong men rather than wise. When has it been otherwise? If ancient history so disturbs your stomach, then you must choose a rather restrictive diet, my friend. And I, valuing your judgement, lament your ill health.

you know, until the age of 7-8, I had a positive image of heroes like Ulysses, Achilles, Ajax... there is no doubt that when you are a kid and you are interested in antiquity, you will read positive things from the myths. when I started doing research and started reading Ovid and Virgil and the full texts of ancient authors around 12 years old, it gave me another image of these myths and ancient Greek theology, and when I started to do research from scientific sources on the functioning of Athenian democracy (I know Sparta less, it was a complex political system based on family dynasties), it gave me another shock on my childhood ideas.

disgust is therefore rather a more understandable and direct way of saying that it changed my perception of Greek antiquity. but being 17 years old, I have always retained my research interest in this period and I regularly read Plato and Aristotle whose great "rationalist" philosophical ideas still make me curious and want to reread them

@DeadlyKillerInstinct said in #41:
> Man you literally called a guy an idiot and then said no offence
This is my trick,
you can insult someone as much as you can (okay, maybe not THAT much but still) and then say no offense.
Problem solved.

It seems probable that Allah wins for the sheer fact that all the others appear in human form from time to time.

Also, we know Zeus can die since immortal beings have been killed in Greek mythology. (Eg. Ouranos)

Similarly, we know Odin can die. In fact, he will die at Ragnarok or maybe had died at Ragnarok. Not really sure how that one works.

Shiva is a bit difficult in the sense that he has technically never taken birth. So... how exactly do you kill someone who was never born, I don’t know. But by the same logic, Allah can also not be killed. He is even better off in my opinion as he has no form whatsoever. You cannot defeat something that doesn’t exist (in a physical sense, don’t come after me with religious arguments)

@TakeThePawnOrLose said in #46:
> It seems probable that Allah wins for the sheer fact that all the others appear in human form from time to time.
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> Also, we know Zeus can die since immortal beings have been killed in Greek mythology. (Eg. Ouranos)
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> Similarly, we know Odin can die. In fact, he will die at Ragnarok or maybe had died at Ragnarok. Not really sure how that one works.
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> Shiva is a bit difficult in the sense that he has technically never taken birth. So... how exactly do you kill someone who was never born, I don’t know. But by the same logic, Allah can also not be killed. He is even better off in my opinion as he has no form whatsoever. You cannot defeat something that doesn’t exist (in a physical sense, don’t come after me with religious arguments)
True, but how could someone who has no physical form beat another form?
I dont know.
Yes, Shiva is immortal, above everyone else, in fact the other gods in the trimurty, Brahma and Vishnu are also immortal.
I think we really should just say that, yes, Zeus and Odin can die. But they haven't.
And we also really should start mentioning about RA.
The egyptian pantheon is also a very interesting and famous pantheon of gods (i got to know it by the marvel film of the moon knight or whatever it is tho lol). Those gods can't die, but they can be imprisoned by the council of gods.
Also, I think that egyptian pantheon of gods has the most gods in total, which is seconded by greek mythology, hindu mythology, and norse mythology.
If you count the other gods of the Hindu pantheon, which are the ones which can die and have the elemental powers, then they might be the second most. Also, there are many other norse gods, but I think they have the same power as Thor and Odin, actually.

@AyaanshGaur12 said in #36:
> Same story in Percy Jackson too LOL.
> And I mean completely same. Word to word. Ditto. Except "rape".
Well guess it's based off of Greek mythology, surprise right?

@AyaanshGaur12 said in #47:
> True, but how could someone who has no physical form beat another form?
> I dont know.
> Yes, Shiva is immortal, above everyone else, in fact the other gods in the trimurty, Brahma and Vishnu are also immortal.
> I think we really should just say that, yes, Zeus and Odin can die. But they haven't.
> And we also really should start mentioning about RA.
> The egyptian pantheon is also a very interesting and famous pantheon of gods (i got to know it by the marvel film of the moon knight or whatever it is tho lol). Those gods can't die, but they can be imprisoned by the council of gods.
> Also, I think that egyptian pantheon of gods has the most gods in total, which is seconded by greek mythology, hindu mythology, and norse mythology.
> If you count the other gods of the Hindu pantheon, which are the ones which can die and have the elemental powers, then they might be the second most. Also, there are many other norse gods, but I think they have the same power as Thor and Odin, actually.
Is there? Almost all of the major pantheons have thousands of deities, Hindu especially- almost every rivet, mountain, village etc has a minor deity

@CSKA_Moscou said in #38:
> indeed, it really disgusts me to read all these things in the Greek mythology, but it is impossible to understand Greek philosophy without understanding the religious dogmas of the time. the Trojan War also has its share of horrors, the death of Hector really hurts to read.
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> this allows us to understand the notions of ancient heroes and their morality which was very different from those of religions today. the Athenian democracy or the kingdom of Sparta was not composed only of enlightened philosophers, skillful politicians or brave warriors: there was debauchery, slavery, torture, corruption, betrayal...

Greek mythology does not pretend to separate itself from the way of humanity - its characters share our own depths of dark and light... so that it's adherents have a lens through which to understand human behavior. what it does however provide is an apparatus of self trial for its adherents- practical ways in which they would - in mass - recreate the trials of the goes, over many days, rigorously (think 3 day fasts, while hiking 30 miles, followed by an entheogenic ritual, an ecstatic dance, then a feast,with a theatric recreation)